Considering that Cliff said in several interviews that he wouldn't have minded Metallica taking a softer route, I doubt it would effect their change much at all. Plus, James and Lars have always been the ones in charge anyway, so it wouldn't have mattered at all if he was against an alteration to their sound.
On another general note, what the hell is the reason for all the "BOOHOO POOR CLIFF :(" bullshit? First of all, he died almost twenty years ago. Twenty fucking years ago. Jesus Christ, talk about lingering on the past. Second, there are vastly superior bassists to draw influence on and there are vastly superior bands to Metallica for inspiration. Seriously, the idolatry put on Burton is absolutely ridiculous. The man's carcass has probably recieved as much fellatio as John Lennon's.
This is in general too. Same goes for all the excessive mourners of Cobain, Lennon, etc. - so don't think I'm singling out Burton here just for the sake of singling out Burton. This rant is not meant to be that specific.
Keep in mind, I understand lighting a candle on his death day and moving on with your day but waking up every morning to your shrine and saying six hundred sixty six prayers to Satan for a blessing of safety on Cliff's index finger? Get a new role model. Preferrably living.
I'm done. My apologies if I made you cry or anything. It is the internet after all. This is quite serious business.
Second, there are vastly superior bassists to draw influence on and there are vastly superior bands to Metallica for inspiration. Seriously, the idolatry put on Burton is absolutely ridiculous. The man's carcass has probably recieved as much fellatio as John Lennon's.
This is in general too. Same goes for all the excessive mourners of Cobain, Lennon, etc. - so don't think I'm singling out Burton here just for the sake of singling out Burton. This rant is not meant to be that specific.
The reason for this is quite simple (though highly irritating): Most people are not music enthusiasts, and are merely content to go with the flow as far as the bands they listen to; thus they can't name many musicians (or bands) other than the ones they hear about on TV or the radio frequently.
While true, I still see it plenty from plenty of music enthusiasts as well. Case in point: Chuck Schuldiner (now I just *know* that that one will get me some flames).
NOTE: This is a can of worms I'm opening here, as I praise Schuldiner quite a bit too, though I generally don't dwell on it for more than a couple of minutes once in a blue moon.
Most people that aren't music enthusiasts haven't even heard of Death or Evil Chuck, but a large ratio of metalheads are quite familar with the deceased frontman and praise him constantly. Now, Chuck is obviously more deserving of his praise than say Burton was as Schuldiner was one of the major pioneers of the death metal genre but my point still stands. The dwelling on an artist's death is not exclusive to non-music enthusiasts.
Your point still stands obviously, I'm just trying to make sure we're on the same page. Just throwing this out there.
The reason i posted this thread is because i am a die hard metallica fan, and i wish to show respect for the first bassist, who died in a most...unpleasant way.
So wait. Because he's Cliff Burton, his death automatically deserves to have respect moreso than say.. the high school senior who died in a car accident in my area a week ago?
Don't celebrate his 20th Year Death Anniversary.
Celebrate his life. His contributions to metal. Anything. There's absolutely no reason as to why you would need to pay your respects twenty years later.
Considering that Cliff said in several interviews that he wouldn't have minded Metallica taking a softer route, I doubt it would effect their change much at all.
For one thing, it's impossible to imagine Cliff agreeing to work with Bon Jovi producer Bob Rock. The producer who helped Metallica make The Black Album, the album that made them superstars.
Plus, James and Lars have always been the ones in charge anyway, so it wouldn't have mattered at all if he was against an alteration to their sound.
They were AFTER Cliff died. When Burton was still in Metallica, he was, basiclly, the one who was in charge. He was the guy who would see James or Lars or Kirk do something stupid and say "What the hell were you thinking?" or "That was a stupid thing to do!" He was the most mature out of the four, had a quiet strength, very confident. As Kirk Hammet said in a Guitar World interview: "The rest of us would defer to him in times of trouble". That is leadership traits.
And yes, I know people should move on from it, being twenty years and all, but Cliff made a huge influence to not just Metallica, but the entire metal genre at the time. Master of Puppets was the record that made Metallica from being 'Young, loud, dickheads in cheap denim' to 'Young, loud, dickheaded Geniuses'. If Cliff wasn't there, Metallica, or maybe even Metal at all, wouldn't have evolved into what we now know of today.
Cliff helped Metal become what it is today, and even in death, we should at least respect that. Not cry about it or make a shrine of him and kiss its ass everyday. Lets just respect what he has done to help make the music I, and many other metalheads, know and love as Heavy Metal.
Let me remind you: Cliff stated that he would have had no problem with Metallica taking a softer route. Don't be so sure that he wouldn't have worked with Bob Rock. Chances are, he probably wouldn't from what I've heard of him, but don't be so certain of this.
Also, Metallica was ALWAYS James' and Lars' band. They did take Burton's advice quite often and held his opinion quite highly, but they were still the ones that would generally make the band's decisions. Even if Burton had stayed in the band, there was a good chance they still would have started working with Bob Rock. Cliff could have influenced them not to work with him, but it was still James' and Lars' decision so one couldn't possibly be sure.
Sure, he made an influence just as Schuldiner did. I never said not to respect that. My problem is the constant sucking off on his corpse.
But, technically, the band never did anything when Dave was there. They wrote a few songs, but the albums werent produced until Dave was kicked out. Though i do have to say, Dave is one HELL of a guitarist.
Mustaine gets credit or dual-credit with Hetfield on the Kill 'Em All album for a little over half the songs. And the ones he gets or shares credit for are the best ones on the album.
If memory serves me well, I remember hearing form a couple of interviews that Burton was what pushed for all the softer stuff like Fade to Black and the parts in Master of Puppets (and by softer I mean relatively), and he is basically what turned the rest of the band onto that road too. I'm not sayign the softer side is bad, but I'm jsut sayign he brought in on.
#14 Because he's Cliff Burton, his death automatically deserves to have respect moreso than say.. the high school senior who died in a car accident in my area a week ago?
Don't celebrate his 20th Year Death Anniversary.
Celebrate his life. His contributions to metal. Anything. There's absolutely no reason as to why you would need to pay your respects twenty years later.
It is true. Mustaine also co-wrote "The Call Of Ktulu", which was another one of their best songs. It's too bad they didn't get along. But then again, we now have Megadeth, which is also a great band. So I still have mixed feelings about him leaving.
...What happened to Cliff? Wasn't this thread about him?
Cliff is one a kind although Les Claypool and Geddy Lee are other favorites of mine Cliff will always be #1 his style was his own cuz most bassists are to pussy to distort a bass
